I finally managed to get some testing done with SWD.
SWD Stamina Testing:
SWD on BD145 Testing:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used EDS and SWD.
WD and SWD switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively Shot.
Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145SWD
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 5 Wins (All by OS)
Scythe Kronos BD145SWD: 15 Wins (All by OS)
MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer BD145EDS VS MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer BD145SWD
MF Phantom Cancer BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS) Also got 2 KO's which I redone.
MF Phantom Cancer BD145SWD: 0 Wins
So when the SWD was on the Phantom it scraped a lot due to it being knocked around a lot more, however on the Scythe it did a lot better as you can see from the results.
SWD doesn't scrape half as bad as WD and D do paired with BD145 but it it still manages to when it's knocked around a bit, which is a shame because from the Scythe results it looks like it could have better stamina than EDS.
Fusion (Defense Mode) Hades BD145SWD VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS
Fusion Hades BD145SWD: 0 Wins
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Fusion (Balance Mode) Hades BD145SWD VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS
Fusion Hades BD145SWD: 0 Wins
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used SWD, CS slightly worn acts Calm.
Alternatively Shot.
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145SWD VS MF-H Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer TH170CS
MF Duo Aquario BD145SWD: 0 Wins.
MF-H Phantom Cancer TH170CS: 10 wins (All by OS)
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145SWD VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Duo Aquario BD145SWD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 0 Wins
SWD Against Atttack Testing:
Kei's Testing:
Nocto's Testing:
SWD Stamina Testing:
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Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Mint WD and SWD.
WD and SWD switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively Shot.
Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145SWD VS Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Phantom Cancer AD145SWD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
I redid the KO's that occurred but for people that want to know -
Phantom Cancer AD145SWD: 1 KO
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 4 KO's
I also thought I'd try this with metal wheels that aren't so... recoil-y? (if you know what I mean...)
Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145SWD VS Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Duo Cancer AD145SWD: 13 Wins (All by OS)
Duo Cancer AD145WD: 7 Wins (All by OS)
Seems it may have better stamina but I'd really prefer tests from two people testing to be honest as some of the OS seemed to be quite close.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Mint WD and SWD.
WD and SWD switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively Shot.
Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145SWD VS Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Phantom Cancer AD145SWD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
I redid the KO's that occurred but for people that want to know -
Phantom Cancer AD145SWD: 1 KO
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 4 KO's
I also thought I'd try this with metal wheels that aren't so... recoil-y? (if you know what I mean...)
Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145SWD VS Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Duo Cancer AD145SWD: 13 Wins (All by OS)
Duo Cancer AD145WD: 7 Wins (All by OS)
Seems it may have better stamina but I'd really prefer tests from two people testing to be honest as some of the OS seemed to be quite close.
SWD on BD145 Testing:
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Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used EDS and SWD.
WD and SWD switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively Shot.
Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145SWD
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 5 Wins (All by OS)
Scythe Kronos BD145SWD: 15 Wins (All by OS)
MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer BD145EDS VS MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer BD145SWD
MF Phantom Cancer BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS) Also got 2 KO's which I redone.
MF Phantom Cancer BD145SWD: 0 Wins
So when the SWD was on the Phantom it scraped a lot due to it being knocked around a lot more, however on the Scythe it did a lot better as you can see from the results.
SWD doesn't scrape half as bad as WD and D do paired with BD145 but it it still manages to when it's knocked around a bit, which is a shame because from the Scythe results it looks like it could have better stamina than EDS.
Fusion (Defense Mode) Hades BD145SWD VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS
Fusion Hades BD145SWD: 0 Wins
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Fusion (Balance Mode) Hades BD145SWD VS Scythe (Stamina Mode) Kronos BD145EDS
Fusion Hades BD145SWD: 0 Wins
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used SWD, CS slightly worn acts Calm.
Alternatively Shot.
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145SWD VS MF-H Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer TH170CS
MF Duo Aquario BD145SWD: 0 Wins.
MF-H Phantom Cancer TH170CS: 10 wins (All by OS)
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145SWD VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Duo Aquario BD145SWD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 0 Wins
SWD Against Atttack Testing:
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Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used SWD, RF slightly worn.
Stamina Combo shot first.
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario AD145SWD VS MF VariAres R145RF (Right Spin)
MF Duo Aqaurio AD145SWD: 2 Wins (1 KO, 1 by OS)
MF VariAres R145RF: 18 Wins (All by KO)
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Slightly used SWD, RF slightly worn.
Stamina Combo shot first.
MF Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario AD145SWD VS MF VariAres R145RF (Right Spin)
MF Duo Aqaurio AD145SWD: 2 Wins (1 KO, 1 by OS)
MF VariAres R145RF: 18 Wins (All by KO)
Kei's Testing:
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(Jan. 17, 2012 4:54 AM)Kei Wrote: BeyStadium Standard Type (Balance Floor)
Launcher Grip + Light Launcher for both
Slightly worn WD, mint SWD
Wheels switched every five battles
Stamina Mode for both Phantoms
Shots alternated.
Phantom Hades AD145WD vs. Phantom Hades AD145SWD
Phantom Hades AD145WD: 10 wins
Phantom Hades AD145SWD: 10 wins
SWD win percentage: 50%
Just to make sure the WD I was using wasn't giving SWD any sort of advantage, I swapped it with another one that was probably slightly less worn:
Phantom Hades AD145WD vs. Phantom Hades AD145SWD
Phantom Hades AD145WD: 5 wins
Phantom Hades AD145SWD: 5 wins
SWD win percentage: 50%
I can't draw any conclusions, really. The only thing I can say is that SWD is at least close to WD in terms of Stamina. Or it could be on par ... or it could be better. The variables such as launch power, positioning, etc. play a huge role in this matchup; I had rounds that were insanely close, rounds that were heavily in favour of WD, and rounds that were heavily in favour of SWD. WD at one point did win five or six rounds in a row in the first set of testing, but still, the end result is the same. It's too close to say definitively which is better.
We need more testing from different people.
BeyStadium Standard Type (Balance Floor)
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher
Slightly worn D and SWD
Stamina Mode for both Phantoms
195 height for both TH170s
Shots alternated.
Phantom Horogium TH170D vs. Phantom Horogium TH170SWD
Phantom Horogium TH170D: 13 wins
Phantom Horogium TH170SWD: 2 wins
SWD win percentage: 13%
Just as I predicted. Like WD, it isn't a good idea to use SWD on a tall Track like TH170. In fact, it's probably worse (as Nocto's results illustrate).
Because I thought it would be interesting given the similarity between DS and SWD ...
Phantom Horogium TH170DS vs. Phantom Horogium TH170SWD
Phantom Horogium TH170DS: 9 wins
Phantom Horogium TH170SWD: 1 win
SWD win percentage: 10%
There wasn't really any noticeable difference between these results and the TH170D vs. TH170SWD ones.
Here are some more AD145 tests. Make of them what you will:
Phantom Horogium AD145D vs. Phantom Horogium AD145SWD
Phantom Horogium AD145D: 8 wins
Phantom Horogium AD145SWD: 12 wins
SWD win percentage: 60%
What I've been wondering is: which Bottom is more difficult to knock out, WD or SWD? It may not make much of a difference in battles against Attack types, but it could when you're in battles where recoil plays a large part (ie. if you're playing a Phantom AD145SWD vs. Basalt BD145CS or something of that nature). I would postulate that SWD may have a slight edge because if it is to be KOed, both the outer ring of the Bottom and the sharp tip have to make it past the Tornado Ridge of the Attack Stadium. WD, on the other hand, kind of "rolls" out once it's been knocked back and past the first ridge.
However, Blitz's first set of results do present a slight problem; if Phantom Cancer AD145WD was able to achieve 4 KOs, while the SWD variant was only able to score one, perhaps this hypothesis is incorrect. It was the the opposite for me, though; I didn't record the KOs that happened during all of my testing, but I do know that the SWD custom had most of them.
After conducting all of the tests above, I thought that comparing SWD to Bwould shed a lot of light on the situation because of the large difference in their ability to maintain balance. Because we know that AD145WD is superior to B
, if SWD is not, we'll know it's not because of it's Stamina ability (which appears to be on par with WD based on what we have concluded thus far), but because of its slightly worse Balance (as was illustrated by the TH170 and 230 tests). Here's how it turned out:
MF-H Phantom Aquario AD145SWD vs. Phantom Orion B
Phantom Orion B: 8 wins
MF-H Phantom Aquario AD145SWD: 2 wins
SWD win percentage: 20%
SWD did well for the great majority of the battle–often looking as though it was going to win towards the end–but after it started to wobble, Bconsistently was able to outlast it due to its ability for prolonged precession and SWD's inability to do the same thing.
edit: Just saw Nocto's second edit ... interesting. SWD did much better than in my TH170 (195 height) tests. We need more testers!
Nocto's Testing:
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(Jan. 17, 2012 8:17 PM)Nocto Wrote: I also tested this, albeit with Earth Aquilas (my only duplicate Metal Wheels). In a nutshell, they were so evenly matched that whichever was shot first, lost.
MFB Attack Stadium
LL2
Launching Priority changed every 5 rounds
Bottoms interchanged every 10 rounds
Earth Aquila 145WD vs Earth Aquila 145SWD
Earth Aquila 145WD: 10 wins (10 OS)
Earth Aquila 145SWD: 10 wins (10 OS)
3 Draws
Earth Aquila 145SWD: 50%
Out of the 3 draws, 2 happened when the WD customization was shot first and 1 when it was SWD's. It might be due to WD's ability to wobble at very low rotation, something that SWD doesn't seem able to match.
Edit: 230 test:
Same Procedure
Earth Aquila 230WD vs Earth Aquila 230SWD
Earth Aquila 230WD: 13 wins (13 OS)
Earth Aquila 230SWD: 7 wins (7 OS)
2 Draws (1 WD, 1 SWD)
Earth Aquila 230SWD: 35%
Edit2:
Earth Aquila 230D vs Earth Aquila 230SWD
Earth Aquila 230D: 8 wins (8 OS)
Earth Aquila 230SWD: 12 wins (12 OS)
2 KOs (SWD wins) D Custom bounced on the SWD Custom at launch and got knocked out both times.
Earth Aquila 230SWD: 60%