(Jan. 04, 2021  2:51 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:50 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: A final boss bey releasing near the end of the year is a thing that happens, doesn't mean final bosses can't be cash grabs that have no purpose in existenting.

Everything is a cash grab, that’s the reason why the products exist.

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:52 AM)Dasmind Wrote: But sparking last episode is on 19 March

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Spryzen Requiem, Lost Luinor, and Xcalius are entirely new beys that have reasons for existing in their completely own booster beyond the cash grab. Eclipse is just a recolor with 1 new part and random filler parts thrown on it, Dread is just a recolor with the same old parts and one new part. The new part also can only be used with 1-2 beys. That's a cash grab. It doesn't deserve its own booster but they want more money and boosters cost more money than simple add on packs.

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(Jan. 04, 2021  2:52 AM)Dasmind Wrote: But sparking last episode is on 19 March

Yeah I know, last episode is early March. Later they relapse new products to get them flowing through the system and get people hyped for the release, and then they release an anime to accompany it.

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:04 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:01 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: The main antagonist bey thing only happened once and Dread Phoenix was a filler bey to pad out time by making a Phi vs Hyde battle and making Phi more "spooky". the amount of starters isn't a concerning thing at all, it can be explained. The purpose of starters is to include a launcher and they were selling launchers separately because they're a special occasion. Boom, problem solved.

The main antagonist bey being released in November as opposed to February or January is a recent thing and is proof that COMMON staples can change it also had nothing to do with the anime apart from making more money. The amount of starters decreasing is still a change nonetheless and proves the point that nothing is set in stone. The beys and anime both getting released in April is a complete possibility and makes total sense although I think it will still be March for the anime. Btw, the real reason why they stopped making starters was because their crappy launchers were unpopular but my point ultimately stands that any and every anime/release pattern can end up getting changed by any type of disturbance.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:16 AM)Dasmind Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:04 AM)Zeutron Wrote: The main antagonist bey being released in November as opposed to February or January is a recent thing and is proof that COMMON staples can change it also had nothing to do with the anime apart from making more money. The amount of starters decreasing is still a change nonetheless and proves the point that nothing is set in stone. The beys and anime both getting released in April is a complete possibility and makes total sense although I think it will still be March for the anime. Btw, the real reason why they stopped making starters was because their crappy launchers were unpopular but my point ultimately stands that any and every anime/release pattern can end up getting changed by any type of disturbance.

They release Legend Spriggan, Revive Phoenix, Venom Diabolos, Variant Lucifer in July. Which is the main antagonist bey.
Except Lost Longinus is in December, Prime Apocalypse is in October 
So not in November

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:15 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  2:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Spryzen Requiem, Lost Luinor, and Xcalius are entirely new beys that have reasons for existing in their completely own booster beyond the cash grab. Eclipse is just a recolor with 1 new part and random filler parts thrown on it, Dread is just a recolor with the same old parts and one new part. The new part also can only be used with 1-2 beys. That's a cash grab. It doesn't deserve its own booster but they want more money and boosters cost more money than simple add on packs.

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Yeah I know, last episode is early March. Later they relapse new products to get them flowing through the system and get people hyped for the release, and then they release an anime to accompany it.

A cash grab is a product that’s only purpose is to get money. Nothing to do with being quick. Everything is a cash grab in burst. Requiem and Longinus were also released earlier in the whole of burst long before parts were being vigorously reused anyways.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:15 AM)Zeutron Wrote: A cash grab is a product that’s only purpose is to get money. Nothing to do with being quick. Everything is a cash grab in burst. Requiem and Longinus were also released earlier in the whole of burst long before parts were being vigorously reused anyways.

Believe it or not, most Beyblade products aren't made just for money, they're made for marketing.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:17 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:16 AM)Dasmind Wrote: They release Legend Spriggan, Revive Phoenix, Venom Diabolos, Variant Lucifer in July. Which is the main antagonist bey.
Except Lost Longinus is in December, Prime Apocalypse is in October 
So not in November

Prime Apocalyse wasn’t final antagonist bey.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:21 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Believe it or not, most Beyblade products aren't made just for money, they're made for marketing.

But are they really? Takara tomy seems self concerned to me as are most Japanese toy companies (no offense). As for marketing, seems like a reversed process.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:22 AM)Dasmind Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:17 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Prime Apocalyse wasn’t final antagonist bey.

I only said main antagonist, and Arthur is more threatening than Gwyn, Gwyn have no interest to end the entire world of beyblade.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:23 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:22 AM)Dasmind Wrote: I only said main antagonist, and Arthur is more threatening than Gwyn, Gwyn have no interest to end the entire world of beyblade.

You’re right but the typical term for Feb/Jan antagonist is final antagonist. Because they usually aren’t the main villain.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:22 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:21 AM)Zeutron Wrote: But are they really? Takara tomy seems self concerned to me as are most Japanese toy companies (no offense). As for marketing, seems like a reversed process.

Obviously. What the hell would they have to market the anime and manga without toys?

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:23 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Ads for the Beyblade anime and manga probably don't even exist.

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(Jan. 04, 2021  3:23 AM)Zeutron Wrote: You’re right but the typical term for Feb/Jan antagonist is final antagonist. Because they usually aren’t the main villain.

Why would that apply to Lain then since he's been the main villain? That would make Lain's evolution not count in the first place right?

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:25 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:22 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Obviously. What the hell would they have to market the anime and manga without toys?

The anime and manga are there to promote the toys. It’s mutual promotion at most but they make the most money off of the toys evident by how the series usually ends or continues based off of the success of the toy line.

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(Jan. 04, 2021  3:23 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Ads for the Beyblade anime and manga probably don't even exist.

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Why would that apply to Lain then since he's been the main villain? That would make Lain's evolution not count in the first place right?

Well the final antagonist may or may not also double as the main antagonist. In other words Lane is both the main and final antagonist.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:30 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:25 AM)Zeutron Wrote: The anime and manga are there to promote the toys. It’s mutual promotion at most but they make the most money off of the toys evident by how the series usually ends or continues based off of the success of the toy line.

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Well the final antagonist may or may not also double as the main antagonist. In other words Lane is both the main and final antagonist.

Xander was the final boss concerning single layers. the main/final boss for god and dual layer systems were Shu and Lui and they were all December. What about them.

The anime and manga aren't just to promote toys. No one would buy some stupid spinning top if it wasn't owned by pretty boy Shu Kurenai. The anime and manga could exist on their own. They wouldn't be making as much sales but they have the beys and characters. Just beys won't cut it.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:52 AM)BeybladeFanOff Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:23 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Ads for the Beyblade anime and manga probably don't even exist.

We have ads for the manga in France.

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:49 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:44 AM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: Eclipse Force they've been doing a lot of things differently and kinda throwing us off with sparking releases patterns, who's to say they won't do it again with S6

The reason Surge release patterns were wonky that one time was because of COVID-19, not an intended decision.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:54 AM)Zeutron Wrote: There was even a Japanese trailer for the manga when it was first announced.

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:54 AM)Zeutron Wrote: There was even a Japanese trailer for the manga when it was first announced.

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:18 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  3:54 AM)Zeutron Wrote: There was even a Japanese trailer for the manga when it was first announced.

There was one for he Valt arc back in 2015 bro. You sure thats gonna hold up now?

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:21 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:18 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: There was one for he Valt arc back in 2015 bro. You sure thats gonna hold up now?

Why not? A trailer is a trailer.

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:22 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:21 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Why not? A trailer is a trailer.

The trailer has single layers and can only be found on youtube.

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2021  1:22 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: The trailer has single layers and can only be found on youtube.

Well it wasn’t created or YouTube. It’s still serves to back the claim that burst has definitely had ads. The trailer has single layers becuase it’s a manga trailer.