(Dec. 18, 2020  2:45 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:14 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Does that make the strategy suddenly disappear from reality as if he never made one?

No, but it makes it widely known to the entire arena and most importantly, his opponent, who can now take counter measures.

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:45 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: No, but it makes it widely known to the entire arena and most importantly, his opponent, who can now take counter measures.

And then later in then show he learns to keep his mouth shut.

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:56 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: And then later in then show he learns to keep his mouth shut.

Not really, since his strategies weren't as complicated then. I mean, last time he really blurted something out was in the battle with Arthur. After that, it didn't matter as much if he blurted his plan out or not.

(Dec. 18, 2020  3:05 PM)Vtryuga Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:56 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Not really, since his strategies weren't as complicated then. I mean, last time he really blurted something out was in the battle with Arthur. After that, it didn't matter as much if he blurted his plan out or not.

Well if you talk about the manga then he is very smart. He managed to defeat delta and aiga using a strategy

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:56 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:50 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: And then later in then show he learns to keep his mouth shut.

Not really, since his strategies weren't as complicated then. I mean, last time he really blurted something out was in the battle with Arthur. After that, it didn't matter as much if he blurted his plan out or not.

(Dec. 18, 2020  3:39 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  2:56 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Not really, since his strategies weren't as complicated then. I mean, last time he really blurted something out was in the battle with Arthur. After that, it didn't matter as much if he blurted his plan out or not.

What do you mean not really? You said yourself after Arthur he never blurted out any strategies. Also, what about the strategies he used with Delta?

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:15 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  3:39 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: What do you mean not really? You said yourself after Arthur he never blurted out any strategies. Also, what about the strategies he used with Delta?

That was more of split second improv or just using his Turbo powers. Some of those strategies mainly came from Delta himself, not necessarily Drum.

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:41 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:15 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: That was more of split second improv or just using his Turbo powers. Some of those strategies mainly came from Delta himself, not necessarily Drum.

Some, you just said it yourself.

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Vs Arman: Rebound off of wall to overpower

Vs Fumiya: Exploit Rubber

Vs Joe: Rocket him down to burst him mid air

Vs Lodin: Deflect attack and over power

Vs Pheng: Use Glyph since you can deal attacks but its not powerful enough to push in wings

Vs Blindt: Hit weak point with full power

Vs Arthur: Deal enough damage so it become red and push in sword

Vs Gwyn and Arthur: Unlock Armor and push in sword

Vs Gwyn: Unlock armor and push in sword

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:02 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:41 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Some, you just said it yourself.

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Vs Arman: Rebound off of wall to overpower

Vs Fumiya: Exploit Rubber

Vs Joe: Rocket him down to burst him mid air

Vs Lodin: Deflect attack and over power

Vs Pheng: Use Glyph since you can deal attacks but its not powerful enough to push in wings

Vs Blindt: Hit weak point with full power

Vs Arthur: Deal enough damage so it become red and push in sword

Vs Gwyn and Arthur: Unlock Armor and push in sword

Vs Gwyn: Unlock armor and push in sword

I'm not saying Drum didn't make strategies period. I'm saying that the strategies that he spit out failed him. Most of those just happened to be split second improvisation in the middle of the round that helped him win. VS the Infinite Lock beys is literally just getting rid of the gimmick, which was nothing special as compared to Amane who did it in a .. more 'strategist' fashion.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:03 PM)Ryuga's Son Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:02 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: I'm not saying Drum didn't make strategies period. I'm saying that the strategies that he spit out failed him. Most of those just happened to be split second improvisation in the middle of the round that helped him win. VS the Infinite Lock beys is literally just getting rid of the gimmick, which was nothing special as compared to Amane who did it in a .. more 'strategist' fashion.

I agree. Drum's stragies never worked

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:02 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:41 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Some, you just said it yourself.

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Vs Arman: Rebound off of wall to overpower

Vs Fumiya: Exploit Rubber

Vs Joe: Rocket him down to burst him mid air

Vs Lodin: Deflect attack and over power

Vs Pheng: Use Glyph since you can deal attacks but its not powerful enough to push in wings

Vs Blindt: Hit weak point with full power

Vs Arthur: Deal enough damage so it become red and push in sword

Vs Gwyn and Arthur: Unlock Armor and push in sword

Vs Gwyn: Unlock armor and push in sword

I'm not saying Drum didn't make strategies period. I'm saying that the strategies that he spit out failed him. Most of those just happened to be split second improvisation in the middle of the round that helped him win. VS the Infinite Lock beys is literally just getting rid of the gimmick, which was nothing special as compared to Amane who did it in a .. more 'strategist' fashion.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:06 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:02 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: I'm not saying Drum didn't make strategies period. I'm saying that the strategies that he spit out failed him. Most of those just happened to be split second improvisation in the middle of the round that helped him win. VS the Infinite Lock beys is literally just getting rid of the gimmick, which was nothing special as compared to Amane who did it in a .. more 'strategist' fashion.

All Arman did was just the bey to red and push in the sword but it looked more flashy since it jumped up and all that. Lots of these also weren't split second improvisation. Did he just magically burst Apocalypse? He accidentally found out how to beat Pegasus? No of course not.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:09 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:06 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: All Arman did was just the bey to red and push in the sword but it looked more flashy since it jumped up and all that. Lots of these also weren't split second improvisation. Did he just magically burst Apocalypse? He accidentally found out how to beat Pegasus? No of course not.

Did I say all of them were? No. I said most of them were. Plus, unlike Drum usually did, Amane had his strategy from the start and hardcore trained for it, not really just pulling out a Gold/Rainbow Turbo. I guess I mean that Amane's win felt more real, while Drum's wins are like, 'oh dang, he just pulled that out of his sleeve!".

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:10 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:09 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Did I say all of them were? No. I said most of them were. Plus, unlike Drum usually did, Amane had his strategy from the start and hardcore trained for it, not really just pulling out a Gold/Rainbow Turbo. I guess I mean that Amane's win felt more real, while Drum's wins are like, 'oh dang, he just pulled that out of his sleeve!".

Dante literally analyzed all of Apocalypse's movements with the Victories and found its weakness and how to beta it. Arman just used that strategy again later.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:11 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:10 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dante literally analyzed all of Apocalypse's movements with the Victories and found its weakness and how to beta it. Arman just used that strategy again later.

What movements? Movements he couldn't counter until Bound Mode came to save him? Epic. Just my opinion though.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:14 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:11 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: What movements? Movements he couldn't counter until Bound Mode came to save him? Epic. Just my opinion though.

They saw that when Apocalypse shined red it moved away and dodged attacks until it got out of the red. Obviously it being in the red isn't good, so they also saw that the sword can be pushed in and Arthur is trying to avoid that, so put 2 and 2 together and bam. Also what you said wasn't an onion, its straight up wrong.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:16 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:14 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: They saw that when Apocalypse shined red it moved away and dodged attacks until it got out of the red. Obviously it being in the red isn't good, so they also saw that the sword can be pushed in and Arthur is trying to avoid that, so put 2 and 2 together and bam. Also what you said wasn't an onion, its straight up wrong.

1. Onion?
2. This is my opinion, as yes, while they did figure out how the Infinite Lock system worked, that was after they saw Delta's battle. Plus they analyzed the movements pertaining to the Infinite Lock, not the overall bey.
3. Dragon won because it got the extra power and speed from Bound Mode. Otherwise it got thrashed by Final Blaster.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:19 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:16 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: 1. Onion?
2. This is my opinion, as yes, while they did figure out how the Infinite Lock system worked, that was after they saw Delta's battle. Plus they analyzed the movements pertaining to the Infinite Lock, not the overall bey.
3. Dragon won because it got the extra power and speed from Bound Mode. Otherwise it got thrashed by Final Blaster.

1. Ha ha you misspelled something I win the argument

2. Well yeah duh it was after they saw Delta's battles. that doesn't make it any less valid

3. Bound mode just bounds the bye. It doesn't go any faster than Ignition Force. It just hit it at the good angle.

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:20 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  7:19 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: 1. Ha ha you misspelled something I win the argument

2. Well yeah duh it was after they saw Delta's battles. that doesn't make it any less valid

3. Bound mode just bounds the bye. It doesn't go any faster than Ignition Force. It just hit it at the good angle.

Talking about misspelling when you misspelled both opinion as onion and bey as bye. This is still a pointless argument that shouldn't even be here, so I'm gonna stop that there.

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:41 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 18, 2020  5:15 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: That was more of split second improv or just using his Turbo powers. Some of those strategies mainly came from Delta himself, not necessarily Drum.

Some, you just said it yourself.

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Vs Arman: Rebound off of wall to overpower

Vs Fumiya: Exploit Rubber

Vs Joe: Rocket him down to burst him mid air

Vs Lodin: Deflect attack and over power

Vs Pheng: Use Glyph since you can deal attacks but its not powerful enough to push in wings

Vs Blindt: Hit weak point with full power

Vs Arthur: Deal enough damage so it become red and push in sword

Vs Gwyn and Arthur: Unlock Armor and push in sword

Vs Gwyn: Unlock armor and push in sword

(Dec. 19, 2020  7:12 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: It would be good to have a main character that does not cry so much