(Apr. 15, 2011  1:30 AM)BrawlLawl Wrote: vulcan the worst...... i think not......

(Apr. 15, 2011  2:44 AM)BeyBladestation Wrote: I was thinking that in Defense, under CW's, the Kerbecs Clear Wheel would go above the Aquario CW.

I say this because the Kerbecs CW is heavier. Hasbro's Bull is heaviest, so Kerbecs would go underneath.

(Apr. 14, 2011  10:44 PM)♥ Wrote:

(Apr. 14, 2011  9:43 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:

(Apr. 14, 2011  8:54 PM)♥ Wrote: I still don't understand why the tier list is in this format. You can't separate the parts into different tiers because they are reliant on each other.

Please explain.

What I mean is that it's impossible to put certain parts into tiers, because their effectiveness is based on their combination with other parts. R145 for example, is not universally successful with all top-tier Wheels - the tier list is misleading by implying it is an out-and-out top-tier Attack Track. This isn't a criticism of results surrounding it or whatnot, but rather, the way the entire thread works.

There are some ways to get around this for example I put Hell as tier 1 for stamina but only when it is with BD145 in boost mode but there's not really much that I see that can be done about this problem. Also the list is general so not always correct.

(Apr. 14, 2011  9:43 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:

Quote:It seems that this thread serves a similar purpose to the Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos thread

It really does a completly different job. The point of this thread is to be able to know how the parts compare to each other in terms of use in the different types. For now it is doing the job of the Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos thread but that isn't really the main point of it. Although not official it can be updated easily and quickly when changes happen. Also the other one is normally only changed when one of the advanced members says so(well not lately). With this it can be updated whenever we agree on a place for a part. The main point of it is to be a tool for new members to understand how parts compare to each other for their uses in the types. For example if someone completly new to beyblade buys a beyblade and has no idea how good the parts are then they can look here an see how useful the parts are. I don't really think the competitive combos list does that well if at all.

Your point that this thread exists as a tool for new members to identify the usefulness of their parts is more acceptable, but I still think the problem I initially highlighted, and have since elaborated on, is pertinent in the same way. I can use the exact same example, in fact. A new member buys Rock Giraffe R145WB. He sees it is a top-tier Attack Track, but with what Wheel and Bottom should it be used with? I already conceded that the Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos thread hasn't been updated as regularly as it should be (and, by the way, although it's not something I take personally even as an Advanced Member, I do take issue with the fact that a lot of people seem to think that the thread only gets updated when we see fit - the problem lies in the fact that more often than not, succinct results are never posted ... ), but I'm still of the opinion that it would, if it was updated regularly, serve this purpose, except even better.

I get frustrated with the fact that people don't test vital parts such as PD and MB which most likely outclass WD and SD. However some things don't need testing as such. I mean Pegasis is still on the official top tier list yet it is blantantly outclassed. It really doesn't require any testing yet it still hasn't been updated. Why hasn't it? It clearly should be but despite most if not all members acknowledging this it hasn't.

Well the job of the thread is not to find combos for the parts. There are several ways they can do that elsewhere. Like the build a combos thread or any of the combos posted in the customizations forum with the parts in. Or the competitive list which still works somewhat if not fully in this capacity.

My example of Rock Giraffe R145WB still applies to Tier 2 and 3; however, even though they arguably aren't the primary purpose of this thread, their existences are perhaps ironically the most useful.

(Apr. 15, 2011  10:27 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: I can't really see the blades of WA130 hitting BD145 that much but they could. Also the part you're refering to of slash riger only had a use when it wasn't free spinning. Maybe killer Befowl's track would be better since it actually has spikes.

(Apr. 15, 2011  9:34 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: I get frustrated with the fact that people don't test vital parts such as PD and MB which most likely outclass WD and SD. However some things don't need testing as such. I mean Pegasis is still on the official top tier list yet it is blantantly outclassed. It really doesn't require any testing yet it still hasn't been updated. Why hasn't it? It clearly should be but despite most if not all members acknowledging this it hasn't.

Well the job of the thread is not to find combos for the parts. There are several ways they can do that elsewhere. Like the build a combos thread or any of the combos posted in the customizations forum with the parts in. Or the competitive list which still works somewhat if not fully in this capacity.

My example of Rock Giraffe R145WB still applies to Tier 2 and 3; however, even though they arguably aren't the primary purpose of this thread, their existences are perhaps ironically the most useful.

(Mar. 06, 2011  8:23 PM)BladeStorm Wrote: The main flaw of this tier list is that certain parts have synergy so it can be misleading to newcomers. E.g Hell 230CS/230 and D/Gravity and R145. Counter examples would be Earth 230/Vulcan H145

(Apr. 15, 2011  1:46 PM)♥ Wrote:

(Apr. 15, 2011  9:34 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: I get frustrated with the fact that people don't test vital parts such as PD and MB which most likely outclass WD and SD. However some things don't need testing as such. I mean Pegasis is still on the official top tier list yet it is blantantly outclassed. It really doesn't require any testing yet it still hasn't been updated. Why hasn't it? It clearly should be but despite most if not all members acknowledging this it hasn't.

Well the job of the thread is not to find combos for the parts. There are several ways they can do that elsewhere. Like the build a combos thread or any of the combos posted in the customizations forum with the parts in. Or the competitive list which still works somewhat if not fully in this capacity.

My example of Rock Giraffe R145WB still applies to Tier 2 and 3; however, even though they arguably aren't the primary purpose of this thread, their existences are perhaps ironically the most useful.

Why have you bolded an entire paragraph? You've completely negated the effect of emphasis there ...

To address your rather specific point of PD and MB; they're not exactly the most readily available parts, so I wouldn't particularly expect a lot of testing. If it matters so much to you, why don't you test them?

I don't really think it's universally acknowledged at all; a quick search for "Pegasis" in this very thread brings up a plethora of posts from you shooting down others for challenging you. Just so you know, Dan's post was never fully addressed with testing. It seems you run a double standard whereby you're apparently frustrated by the lack of testing, but when it's inconvenient to your tier list, assumptions can and will be made.

You didn't really address the crux of my argument anyway. Even if this thread's purpose wasn't to find customisations the parts fit into, the tier each part belongs in is inherently linked to their roles in customisation - this is completely undeniable.

(Mar. 06, 2011  8:23 PM)BladeStorm Wrote: The main flaw of this tier list is that certain parts have synergy so it can be misleading to newcomers. E.g Hell 230CS/230 and D/Gravity and R145. Counter examples would be Earth 230/Vulcan H145

This was mentioned over a month ago by BladeStorm so kudos to him, but no one seemed to take any notice then, either.

Quote: the tier each part belongs in is inherently linked to their roles in customisation - this is completely undeniable.

Quote:It seems you run a double standard whereby you're apparently frustrated by the lack of testing, but when it's inconvenient to your tier list, assumptions can and will be made.

(Apr. 15, 2011  1:46 PM)♥ Wrote: I don't really think it's universally acknowledged at all; a quick search for "Pegasis" in this very thread brings up a plethora of posts from you shooting down others for challenging you.

(Apr. 15, 2011  3:52 PM)th!nk Wrote: Oh, and the SW145 testing's gonna have to wait for tomorrow, I've been busy tonight Sorry, I'll try to get it done.
It'll probably be some of my last testing for a little while, as I'm kinda tired of it, and I'm getting busy.

(Apr. 20, 2011  3:23 PM)shadowfalcon Wrote: These Are The Combos That Im Sharing It Guys To You

Stamina:
Flame Bull 100SD
Burn Virgo 100D

Defense:
MF-H Basalt Bull BD145 MB/WB (The Best Is MB,if u dont have just use WB)
MF Gravity Perseus R145WB

Attack:
MF Storm Phoenix 100RF
MF Earth Bull GB145RF
MF Lightning L-drago 90RF