(Oct. 23, 2020  9:23 AM)Valt_lover Wrote: Frustrating episode 😭😭....

(Oct. 23, 2020  8:44 AM)DranzerX13 Wrote: Yes, but circumventing the region lock is just as bad as downloading the episode. Many streaming companies like Netflix and Hulu have said using a VPN is illegal to circumvent region lock. Netflix is no stranger on blocking accounts that they catch using a VPN. It may not be illegal to hide your IP address, but it is illegal to use it to bypass region lock on sites like Netflix, Hulu. Those two sites crack down the most on using VPNs.

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:21 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: I want to provide another perspective which I understand is not so popular: 

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Isnt this a perfect setup wherein the legends as well as the protagonists have a common goal; that is to beat the antagonists? Doesnt this make Lean a worthy antagonist? I mean the main role of an antagonist is to be a road block for the protags journey; which is exactly the case. In addition the legends also now have the goal of beating Lean ( like AIga, Free, Lui and now Valt). So in sparking the legends also have their own goals which relate to the antagonist.

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:53 AM)~Mana~ Wrote:

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:21 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: I want to provide another perspective which I understand is not so popular: 

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Isnt this a perfect setup wherein the legends as well as the protagonists have a common goal; that is to beat the antagonists? Doesnt this make Lean a worthy antagonist? I mean the main role of an antagonist is to be a road block for the protags journey; which is exactly the case. In addition the legends also now have the goal of beating Lean ( like AIga, Free, Lui and now Valt). So in sparking the legends also have their own goals which relate to the antagonist.

You're not wrong, but it does undermine the entirety of the Burst series so far by doing so. There are much better ways you can go about setting up that mutual goal without necessarily needing to go to this extent.

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While the end of Cho-Z had its faults (I honestly did not like the "let's go fight Hearts on a random island" arc), it also handled both returning characters and new antagonist characters pretty well without causing total disrespect to anyone. It obviously sucked a little to see Valt in that state, but the result it gave afterwards (Cho-Z Valkyrie, Valt legitimately getting that much better etc) made it very worthwhile, even to the end where yes, Aiga did ultimately dethrone Valt. It was generally handled well.

But what we see here is basically:

• Lean has legitimately dethroned everyone, purely based on this "Flare" element. Which is quite literally evil plot armour.
  
• Hyuga and Hikaru are just going to improve their Beys, because they also have the "Flare" plot armour. Lean, having completed his Flare, will do the same.
  
• There is zero indication of redemption for legacy characters. I'd like to see a new Valkyrie for the major December release to help provide an extremely fitting end for Burst, ideally looking at Hyuga vs Valt for a finale. Because let's be real, Hyuga is the primary protagonist of the brothers here, but he also needs to still lose against Valt because his entire character existence revolves around idolising and beating Valt.
  
• Yet we have a very likely end of "new protagonists beat new antagonist and become champions with very little real training, extending a middle finger to everyone in the past five years".
  

If we can whip out another tournament arc for the final arc and provide these legacy characters with an actual redemption, I think it's fine. But if it's left as is, the common goal that this scenario has created doesn't outweigh the fact that it's just a royal slap in the face to most people, haha.

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:53 AM)~Mana~ Wrote:

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:21 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: I want to provide another perspective which I understand is not so popular: 

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Isnt this a perfect setup wherein the legends as well as the protagonists have a common goal; that is to beat the antagonists? Doesnt this make Lean a worthy antagonist? I mean the main role of an antagonist is to be a road block for the protags journey; which is exactly the case. In addition the legends also now have the goal of beating Lean ( like AIga, Free, Lui and now Valt). So in sparking the legends also have their own goals which relate to the antagonist.

You're not wrong, but it does undermine the entirety of the Burst series so far by doing so. There are much better ways you can go about setting up that mutual goal without necessarily needing to go to this extent.

Spoiler (Click to View)

While the end of Cho-Z had its faults (I honestly did not like the "let's go fight Hearts on a random island" arc), it also handled both returning characters and new antagonist characters pretty well without causing total disrespect to anyone. It obviously sucked a little to see Valt in that state, but the result it gave afterwards (Cho-Z Valkyrie, Valt legitimately getting that much better etc) made it very worthwhile, even to the end where yes, Aiga did ultimately dethrone Valt. It was generally handled well.

But what we see here is basically:

• Lean has legitimately dethroned everyone, purely based on this "Flare" element. Which is quite literally evil plot armour.
  
• Hyuga and Hikaru are just going to improve their Beys, because they also have the "Flare" plot armour. Lean, having completed his Flare, will do the same.
  
• There is zero indication of redemption for legacy characters. I'd like to see a new Valkyrie for the major December release to help provide an extremely fitting end for Burst, ideally looking at Hyuga vs Valt for a finale. Because let's be real, Hyuga is the primary protagonist of the brothers here, but he also needs to still lose against Valt because his entire character existence revolves around idolising and beating Valt.
  
• Yet we have a very likely end of "new protagonists beat new antagonist and become champions with very little real training, extending a middle finger to everyone in the past five years".
  

If we can whip out another tournament arc for the final arc and provide these legacy characters with an actual redemption, I think it's fine. But if it's left as is, the common goal that this scenario has created doesn't outweigh the fact that it's just a royal slap in the face to most people, haha.

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:53 AM)~Mana~ Wrote:

(Oct. 23, 2020  11:21 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: I want to provide another perspective which I understand is not so popular: 

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Isnt this a perfect setup wherein the legends as well as the protagonists have a common goal; that is to beat the antagonists? Doesnt this make Lean a worthy antagonist? I mean the main role of an antagonist is to be a road block for the protags journey; which is exactly the case. In addition the legends also now have the goal of beating Lean ( like AIga, Free, Lui and now Valt). So in sparking the legends also have their own goals which relate to the antagonist.

You're not wrong, but it does undermine the entirety of the Burst series so far by doing so. There are much better ways you can go about setting up that mutual goal without necessarily needing to go to this extent.

Spoiler (Click to View)

While the end of Cho-Z had its faults (I honestly did not like the "let's go fight Hearts on a random island" arc), it also handled both returning characters and new antagonist characters pretty well without causing total disrespect to anyone. It obviously sucked a little to see Valt in that state, but the result it gave afterwards (Cho-Z Valkyrie, Valt legitimately getting that much better etc) made it very worthwhile, even to the end where yes, Aiga did ultimately dethrone Valt. It was generally handled well.

But what we see here is basically:

• Lean has legitimately dethroned everyone, purely based on this "Flare" element. Which is quite literally evil plot armour.
  
• Hyuga and Hikaru are just going to improve their Beys, because they also have the "Flare" plot armour. Lean, having completed his Flare, will do the same.
  
• There is zero indication of redemption for legacy characters. I'd like to see a new Valkyrie for the major December release to help provide an extremely fitting end for Burst, ideally looking at Hyuga vs Valt for a finale. Because let's be real, Hyuga is the primary protagonist of the brothers here, but he also needs to still lose against Valt because his entire character existence revolves around idolising and beating Valt.
  
• Yet we have a very likely end of "new protagonists beat new antagonist and become champions with very little real training, extending a middle finger to everyone in the past five years".
  

If we can whip out another tournament arc for the final arc and provide these legacy characters with an actual redemption, I think it's fine. But if it's left as is, the common goal that this scenario has created doesn't outweigh the fact that it's just a royal slap in the face to most people, haha.

(Oct. 23, 2020  12:19 PM)Vtryuga Wrote: As I said I knew this was an unpopular opinion. 
I do agree with some of your points ; i personally would love to see another tournament arc where there are actual redemption for legends like free valt and lui. 

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That being said I do think that it is within the realm of possibility that a person dominates the Legend bladers.  I mean there is always a point where the old guard has to be brought down and usually when it happens no one -quite naturally ,I must say- likes it. 

We are seeing this happening right now.
 Im not saying that lean is the perfect antagonist,  im just saying if they can delve deeper into the concept of Flare and Leans motivation it would've it even more interesting.  

Also plot armour is a word which I hear almost every single time when a beloved character looses, which i really dont quite agree with. Just because Lean is currently stronger than the Legends doesnt mean that it is plot armour.  It just means that the antagonist is doing his job of being a pain; why can it be so hard to assume that lean is naturally strong? And that he has trained to reach there as the anime suggests? I mean a proper backstory to him would do the trick in my opinion.

(Oct. 23, 2020  12:43 PM)~Mana~ Wrote:

(Oct. 23, 2020  12:19 PM)Vtryuga Wrote: As I said I knew this was an unpopular opinion. 
I do agree with some of your points ; i personally would love to see another tournament arc where there are actual redemption for legends like free valt and lui. 

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That being said I do think that it is within the realm of possibility that a person dominates the Legend bladers.  I mean there is always a point where the old guard has to be brought down and usually when it happens no one -quite naturally ,I must say- likes it. 

We are seeing this happening right now.
 Im not saying that lean is the perfect antagonist,  im just saying if they can delve deeper into the concept of Flare and Leans motivation it would've it even more interesting.  

Also plot armour is a word which I hear almost every single time when a beloved character looses, which i really dont quite agree with. Just because Lean is currently stronger than the Legends doesnt mean that it is plot armour.  It just means that the antagonist is doing his job of being a pain; why can it be so hard to assume that lean is naturally strong? And that he has trained to reach there as the anime suggests? I mean a proper backstory to him would do the trick in my opinion.

Oh totally, I get that it was going to be unpopular, haha. I'm just giving my two cents on the matter. It's an interesting take on things though.

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Lean is far from perfect. Honestly, I'm not even super convinced that he's that antagonistic really; he's more like an anti-villain. His "evil" side is literally just an obsession with getting stronger, and he's fixated on relying on his "Flare" to do it. You do see him training with Shu in flashbacks, so his strength isn't entirely unbelievable. But the rate at which he grows stronger, destroying legends etc, is very unnatural. He's not a prodigy by any means; he seeks strength and he borrows it from his Flare.

To that extent; yeah, plot armour is a nasty thing to say in a show. But Sparking has essentially highlighted this as being just that:

• "Flare" is constantly mentioned as being power, and is insinuated as being otherworldly. Lean is obsessed with building up this power, rather than relying on legitimate battle tactics.
  • It can be argued that Cho-Z Resonance and Gold Turbo are examples of this too. And yeah, they totally are, I'm not even going to beat around the bush there; both are plot armour and devices to drive the show. This wouldn't be an issue, but the first two seasons of Burst were built around "Beyblade as a sport" and some fairly realistic and natural tactics. 
    
  • Resonance and Gold Turbo do actually require proper training to be used effectively though. Flare isn't always like that; at first, yes, it was the same and Lean was training to further that. But currently, it's a "Black Sun devouring the light" situation - it is now relying on absorbing power and kinda cheating in a way.
    
• It's somehow something that can be absorbed from another Flare user and increases your own power, as we saw with Lucifer vs Hyperion in the previous episode. That's not natural, that really is plot armour at that point; he can't beat Valt without relying on power stolen from another Bey and quite literally going crazy for it.
  

A lot of Lean's issues could be solved by covering a lot more of his backstory than we know. But what we currently know just suggests that "Flare happened and now he's power mad", and that's not a great plot device. Him taking down characters that we know 100% of the backstory of (and know the absolute difficulties they've gone through) just makes this worse.

And yeah, it's totally feasible for a new character to beat the greats. Aiga ultimately dethroning Valt is a fantastic example of that and something that nobody saw coming. But if that is going to be done, it ultimately needs to be done properly and in a way where fans are like "Yeah alright, this makes sense. I understand".

• Leans backstory: This is obvious and I do belive if they can make one or two episodes on Leans character( not his battles it would help)
  
• Another Tournament: Well I do know that we may not have time for that; I do think another tournament ,which does justice to the battles with legends, should happen.
   

(Oct. 23, 2020  2:27 PM)Sarem Wrote: I just want to Punch Lane in the face.