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RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Bluezee - Jun. 29, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:49 PM)♥ Wrote: Libra DF145S vs Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) Do you mind telling me what mold of Libra you are using? RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Serotonin - Jun. 29, 2011 BB-96 Super Deck Set mold. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Bluezee - Jun. 29, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:52 PM)lord Wolfblade Wrote:(Jun. 29, 2011 9:49 PM)♥ Wrote: Libra DF145S vs Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) So glad you paid attention to this. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Azlanslayer - Jun. 29, 2011 I will test this and confirm its real. I learnt from Kei's thread :>. If its real, Bluezee, Expect Another Video on this like MF LLD BD145LRF ![]() RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Bluezee - Jun. 29, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:53 PM)♥ Wrote: BB-96 Super Deck Set mold. Hmm. Interesting. Libra did not do as well as Earth but the results were definitely higher than the ones you received. I wonder what's going on. (Jun. 29, 2011 9:53 PM)Azlanslayer Wrote: I will test this and confirm its real. I learnt from Kei's thread :>. If its real, Bluezee, Expect Another Video on this like MF LLD BD145LRF Thanks a lot buddy. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Dan - Jun. 29, 2011 lol even I'll pitch in a video, I'm in that sort of mood. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - ƛnubis - Jun. 29, 2011 When i get home im going to post a Earth video. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Bluezee - Jun. 29, 2011 OK video up.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geAJYg9Dlzk RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - BeybladeStation - Jun. 29, 2011 Wow, looks really nice, nice video too. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Chups - Jun. 29, 2011 I'm not too sure if 'pure' Stamina is Viable in this Metagame? I mean MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD is Defense/Stamina. It can withstand a couple attacks while having good Stamina. A pure Stamina will be knocked out by any CS combo. A Defense combo. With attack types like Beat, Fang and LLD this stands no chance. I understand that you are going for PURE Stamina and nothing else. In which that area you are right. It does OS other Stamina types but that is because they can withstand other attacks; Being heavier. Hmm. Im not too sure if I put that into words very well... RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Serotonin - Jun. 29, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 11:06 PM)Chups Wrote: I'm not too sure if 'pure' Stamina is Viable in this Metagame? I mean MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD is Defense/Stamina. It can withstand a couple attacks while having good Stamina. A pure Stamina will be knocked out by any CS combo. A Defense combo. With attack types like Beat, Fang and LLD this stands no chance. I understand that you are going for PURE Stamina and nothing else. In which that area you are right. It does OS other Stamina types but that is because they can withstand other attacks; Being heavier. Yeah, you're right about this too. Even with a weak launch, S-based variants are going to have a harder time against more customisations than Hell Kerbecs BD145WD. It definitely has more versatility going for it, which makes it a safer choice. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Bluezee - Jun. 29, 2011 You both are missing the point here, which is clearly stated in the title of the thread. It is Hell Kerbecs BD145WD's kryptonite in terms of stamina. It is not like I said S should be used with every combo and it will be infinitely better than WD based combos. I did however say that certain low to zero recoil wheels beat this consistently enough to prove that simple stamina can still beat this easily. Obviously S would have a harder time with other things. More results MF-H Earth Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS(Normal Mode) Alternated Launches Each Round Earth: 10/20 HK: 10/20 MF-H Earth Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS (Boost) Earth: 11/20 HK: 9/20 MF-H Earth Aquario 85S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD Earth: 10/20 HK: 10/20 MF-H Earth Aquario 85S vs MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS Earth: 10/20 HK: 10/20 S tips are VERY specific and sensitive. When S was launched first in these matches, it lost by a VERY small margin like one rotation. When it was launched second, it won by a large amount. With that said, S can generally take out even the most difficult combos. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Kei - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 11:08 PM)♥ Wrote: Yeah, you're right about this too. Even with a weak launch, S-based variants are going to have a harder time against more customisations than Hell Kerbecs BD145WD. It definitely has more versatility going for it, which makes it a safer choice. This is precisely why the S combos listed in this thread are useless. One-dimensional combos like these have no place in competitive play because they aren't a safe choice during Stalling Clause. And this is assuming they actually performed as well for everyone as they have been for Bluezee. Like your results, my results show a huge disparity when compared to Bluezee's: Attack Stadium BeyLauncher + Launcher Grip for both Semi-worn WD, mint S MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD always launched first MF-H Libra (Mold 2) DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) MF-H Libra DF145S: 6 wins (6 KO) MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 14 wins (8 KO, 6 OS) Hell Kerbecs win percentage: 70% MF-H Earth (Mold 1) Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) MF-H Earth Aquario DF145S: 0 wins MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 5 wins (5 OS) Hell Kerbecs win percentage: 100% MF-H Earth (Mold 2) Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) MF-H Earth Aquario DF145S: 0 wins MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 10 wins (10 OS) Hell Kerbecs win percentage: 100% MF-H Basalt Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode) MF-H Basalt Aquario DF145S: 11 wins (7 KO, 4 OS) MF Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 9 wins (3 KO, 6 OS) Hell Kerbecs win percentage: 45% Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to re-do KOs haha (besides, if I did, the results wouldn't be realistic). Libra and both Earth molds stood no chance. Libra scored some KOs because of it's recoil against Hell's high recoil, but during the matches where Hell outspun it, it wasn't even close. As the results against Basalt illustrate, Basalt actually gave Hell Kerbecs some trouble. However, this was more so due to Basalt's superior Stamina over Earth/Libra/Hell than it was due to S's "true stamina" abilities. And besides, Hell still had more OS's than Basalt. Nevertheless, Basalt + S still did surprisingly well, so I decided to test Hell Kerbecs BD145 with CS instead of WD because a) I figured the extra height would help it out and b) Hell Kerbecs BD145CS is superior to Hell Kerbecs BD145WD anyways. MF-H Basalt Aquario DF145S vs. MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS (Boost Mode) MF-H Basalt Aquario DF145S: 1 win (1 OS) MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS: 9 wins (2 KO, 7 OS) Hell Kerbecs win percentage: 90% Hmm. S has indeed always had great Stamina, but this is inconsequential if it cannot balance itself at low rotations. Nothing we ever do will change this. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - BHorogium - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:26 PM)Bluezee Wrote:This sort of explains why my Inferno Sagittario died, got hit, and came back to life once... Is it normal with that Bey?(Jun. 29, 2011 9:21 PM)Evan Wrote:(Jun. 29, 2011 9:17 PM)Dan Wrote:(Jun. 29, 2011 9:14 PM)Evan Wrote: I've always known the reason why S has been so severely outclassed is balance issues, but against something that can scrape as easily as BD145 (even in Boost mode) the wobbling can help force BD145 into the ground I presume? RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Hov - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:07 PM)Bluezee Wrote: So now will you please get rid of that combo now? I really don't know why it is even top-tier for stamina. Real stamina types use S. Most epic finishing sentence ever. And bluezee, I did always find MF-F Hell Bull145S better anyways. If u have an extra, would you test it for me please? I would very much like it. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - ƛnubis - Jun. 30, 2011 Bluzee i made a vid of this using ES. It didnt do well would you like me to upload the video. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Hov - Jun. 30, 2011 Most likely no, why ES? S is much more viable than ES. ES cause it to lose balance easily when it gets hit by another bey. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - ƛnubis - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 30, 2011 2:30 AM)® Wrote: Most likely no, why ES? S is much more viable than ES. ES cause it to lose balance easily when it gets hit by another bey. Because i wanted to see if es worked on it. Why else? RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Hov - Jun. 30, 2011 S was always better than ES since MFB was born. Read o.o; Hope I wasnt harsh RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - lord Wolfblade - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 30, 2011 4:11 AM)® Wrote: S was always better than ES since MFB was born. IIRC, ES is better then S and BS (it even says so in the WBO's beywiki), its only downfall is that it is taller Bluezee: i will have to postpone my tests, somehow i can not find either of my WDs RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - RustyXD - Jun. 30, 2011 Libra DF145S VS Hell Kerbecs BD145WD Libra wins 9 (9 KO) Hell wins 11 (8KO 3OS) Libra was constantly knocked off balance by hell. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Priscient - Jun. 30, 2011 I just did some informal testing, but I'm getting completely different results.... I can't find my WD at the moment, so I gave the Hell Kerbecs Combination a dis-advantage by using a WB before I tested seriously, and it still won Over MF-H Libra 145S whenever both were kept in the stadium. And we already recognized that 145 has better stamina than DF145, so I was even partial towards the Libra combination. MF-H Libra 145S was always shot first, as it was supposed to be winning regardless. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Cye Kinomiya - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 29, 2011 9:07 PM)Bluezee Wrote: So now will you please get rid of that combo now? I really don't know why it is even top-tier for stamina.Why would you say this? RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Hov - Jun. 30, 2011 (Jun. 30, 2011 4:24 AM)lord Wolfblade Wrote:(Jun. 30, 2011 4:11 AM)® Wrote: S was always better than ES since MFB was born. By solo spin I belive, but not in battle. Is which I am saying. RE: Sharp Turns Ahead: Hell KerbecsBD145WD's kryptonite - Xyo - Jun. 30, 2011 Hmm... in our metagame Hell Kerbecks/Bull also keeps getting spammed so we got into our old metagame which is MF Burn Aquario/Bull 85/90 WD/SD(MF because there are heeps of attack type bladers and kids launch same 100% as adult) Please test it ![]() |